December 23, 2019

Netflix renewed The Witcher for Season 2!

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kim-berly
Dec 26, 2019 1:27PM EST

Meh. Glad for all those who loved it. I'll probably watch it, but I'm hoping for much better next season. If I love a show I can overlook little things that could get under my skin. This one bugged the heck outta me. I was frustrated all the way through it. As I said in my review, it hovered between awful and awesome for me.

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Dec 26, 2019 3:14PM EST

I liked it, its not GoT quality but its close enough. Better than expected plot, though I could see how the unannounced flash-backs in time could bug some people. Sexy naked witches, excellent effects, good acting, what's not to like. I think it will go for 3 maybe even 4 seasons.

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Dec 27, 2019 12:58AM EST

nice, tho i wasnt that impressed with season 1 im hoping season 2 will be better.

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Dec 27, 2019 1:35AM EST

Just happy that they are giving it a second season and a second chance to those who didn't quite like the first one. I though it was awesome! Loved it!

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Jan 6, 2020 10:04AM EST

I heard it was being announced as 'better than Game of Thrones'. I have to disagree with this.
It was an ok show, and I will go on, to watch Season 2, but the show didnt excite me.

It didnt help that certain parts were running at different periods to other parts of the same episode. Or mentioning very little about time passing, such as when the musician and Witcher were on the river, they said, and I paraphrase something along the lines of " I have't seen you for several years". Yet neither aged.

or using the same actress to play both mother and daughter princesses.

Was I the only one who was expecting something better with the eels? like them either being turned back to witches by the evil witch or being turned back to witches, and saving the day.

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Dec 27, 2019 10:21AM EST

Sorry people were so disappointed in it. I didn't think it was jaw dropping or amazing, and there were definitely some cringe worthy moments in it.....but it was decent entertainment and I enjoyed it. I'm down for Season 2.......yaaaaaaaaa Witcher!

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Dec 27, 2019 10:33AM EST

@Pyxel I think people woulnt have been so disappointed, if they weren't drawn into watching the show because it was compared to G.O.T.

If anything, I would have compared it to 'The Shannara Chronicles'. Although the plot was different, It had the same kind of acting and mediocre storylines

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Dec 27, 2019 3:06PM EST

Toss a coin to Netflix for renewing this.

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Dec 27, 2019 7:44PM EST

@snootz absolutely agree with you, wasnt as good as what it was hyped up to be. The main let down for me, other than the acting, was the fact who they cast as Geralt, he just don't fit the part at all. I think Netflix were thinking that cos he was a HUGE actor past few years with the Superman franchise and cos nearly every woman on the planet want to bed him they thought he'd be great but to me his lack of acting skills he's shown in this series compared to Superman acting really made my assessment that he should not have been given the part in the first place a correct one. I WILL watch season 2 BUT i'm really looking forward to other high-end fantasy series' coming in 2020 to TV, can't wait.

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Jan 3, 2020 7:08PM EST

I agree with you Sylar. There is plenty of Muscular actors, whether British or American, who could have done a better job. The other thing that I didnt get is, the amount of black actors. I get that things have to be politically correct, but if this was based roughly 1300's, there was no black population in Europe and if was a later date then lets face it, there would have been very few free from slavery, and almost non with an English accent.

Side note, I realise this was written by a Polish writer, but as everyone or almost everyone has a British accent, I've presumed it as, based in Europe.

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Dec 28, 2019 5:27PM EST

@snootz.. an easy answer to that (for the whole ethnic thing) is the fact this is based in an entirely different fantasy world, the human atrocity that was "a right to own human slaves if bought" maybe did not happen in that world.. ??? that's how I look at it when they build fantasy worlds like this for TV, which i'm glad cos I couldn't stand to watch a world make such a huge mistake once again, if only just for TV and not real and put in just for shock value. Human's have a LOT to answer for.

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Dec 29, 2019 1:47PM EST

Everybody knows that the most important part of any fantasy show is their commitment to historical accuracy. Now where did I leave my magic wand, I need to polymorph this golden dragon into an elf.

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Dec 29, 2019 11:06PM EST

Lol Zane. I forgot. Why couldnt they have used their helicopter with thermal imaging to find the girl in the forest? or use the Apache Helicopter to save the castle? Or were the pilots away that week, getting their driving tests?

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Dec 30, 2019 10:05PM EST

It is clear to me, based on the totality of discussions across virtually every board, that few are familiar with the source material and the intentions of the producers. This is not earth, it is an entirely different world affected by an event referred to as "the conjunction of the spheres" that brought about magic and magical creatures. This is not (thank god) GOT, the focus is not entirely on a single apocalyptic event, the politics of the realm surrounding it, and atrocity for the sake of fetishised atrocity. The temporal dislocation is a narrative technique used to throw off those already well versed in the novels and games. Being one of the latter, I can confirm that it did wonders for keeping me guessing, where I otherwise would have seen everything coming. While highly dedicated to the author's canon, the creator's have stated they are forging their own path for the sake of successful adaptation. Specifically, they are avoiding connections to the games and their habitual deviation from canon. As for the 'issue' of ethnicity: the conjunction of the spheres solved that , providing swaths of non-human slaves and genocides while relegating human slavery to only the most evil, despised, and depraved groups that consequently could care less about your race or religion. As for Cavill: having spent dozens of hours with Geralt, I can tell you the problem is not ole' Henry's acting. He is as Geralt as anyone could hope to be in this show and the actor personally adores and is very dedicated to the character. The issue is that Witchers are broken and mutated men, rife with psychological and personality problems from the brutal trials and noncommittal attitude that forms them, kills most of their childhood friends, and alienates them from a society taught to exploit, fear and simultaneously despise them. Geralt is NOT human, a fact he insists upon explicitly, and behaves more like someone with borderline Schizoid personality disorder.

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Dec 30, 2019 10:16PM EST

The British accents are a "ye ole' time" trope that needs to be stricken from medieval themed everything. It is a ridiculously lazy and confusing shortcut to atmosphere, used to convince the audience of the class and tradition of the setting. It is also in EVERY major fantasy adaptation, including GOT and LOTR, and tends to throw off the audience if not employed.

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Dec 30, 2019 10:45PM EST

Aside from these points, my personal issues with the series include: toning down the overly deliberate nudity and making it more natural and two-sided for a mature adult series, simplifying and refining the monster encounters to maximize horror and realism, cutting the very non-canon cheese out of Geralt and Yennefer's otherwise tumultuous and fatal "romance", and using better makeup and effects for hair and eye color.

Viewed as a network trial run, this is a solid success. But it will be up to Netflix to put the weight necessary to bring the series up to where it should be. While the Witcher's source has a great deal more to offer than the the limited GOT writing, it is clear that HBO started off far more invested in spite of obviously diminishing returns and zero exit strategy. With some luck and dedication, we should see the opposite happen here.

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Jan 5, 2020 9:53AM EST

@Snootz
No one except for media was hyping it as "the next GoT". If that was your expectation going in that's your own faulty expectation instead of watching it for what it was, a brand new show that is its own thing. Netflix weren't hyping it by comparing it to anything, the actors refused to compare it to anything, the showrunners refused to compare it to anything so why would you trust & believe the idiotic media? And why would you have compared it to anything let alone that atrocious Shannara show? The Witcher is its own entity & deserves to be treated as such. Anyone who listened to the garbage GoT comparisons is foolish & deserves disappointment they received. If you believed those comparisons then the show isn't for you.

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kim-berly
Jan 5, 2020 4:02PM EST

I keep reading about people expecting this to be the next GOT or Shannara Chronicles. And people are criticizing others for expecting that to be the case. I can only speak for me. So, fyi... I knew nothing about the show. I'd heard nothing about it. Saw no actor interviews. Read no critiques about the show. I just saw it on Netflix and watched it. My issues with the show are totally about the show, not expectations I had about it. Just felt I needed to get that off my chest.

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Jan 5, 2020 10:19PM EST

i went into the show thinking it was gonna suck, it had its good points but also had its bad points. At no point did i think it was goint to be the next GoT or Shannara Chronicles.

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kim-berly
Jan 7, 2020 6:27PM EST

This is from my review:
For me this hovers somewhere between awful and awesome. There are just some stupid things that bug me no end.

So we have gruesome battles without knowing why. We find out it's because of the Princess. We don't know why they want her and why they're are going to such lengths to get her.

The Princess has a power/curse that she doesn't really know about and isn't trained on how to use it. She isn't trained in self defense. Her grandmother knows she's in danger and does nothing to prepare her for it or to just prepare for it at all.

The show jumps back and forth in time with out telling you they've done it. You just have to figure it out. A simple little text in a lovely old fashioned font telling us the date has changed would be terribly helpful!

We're introduced to the "Law of Surprise". Still don't really understand it.

And I'll add that the Grandmother character is just annoying! Coming back from battles covered in blood still wearing her armor she just goes to the ball or banquet and acts like that's a normal thing to do after killing on the battle field. Get cleaned up and change clothes! Just lots of annoying things throughout the show.

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kim-berly
Jan 6, 2020 2:51AM EST

Well said Snootz!

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Jan 6, 2020 2:54AM EST

Thank you Kim. Dont allow yourself to be bullied on these groups, and if someone is bullying you or judging your comments and telling you how they should be written, then you come and find me. We British will happily speak our mind.

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kim-berly
Jan 6, 2020 3:21AM EST

I wasn't feeling bullied. Frosty55 seems to be very enthusiastic about the series. I don't want to dampen that kind of passion for anyone about any series.

I was feeling frustrated by all the "GOT & Shannara" comments though.

Thank you for your support, it is much appreciated!

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Jan 6, 2020 3:26AM EST

I think the Shannara was possibly mentioned towards me. Although I wasn't expecting it to be like Shannara, I did compare the acting skills of that show, to be similar to this one.

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kim-berly
Jan 6, 2020 3:32AM EST

I would agree with that. The acting is comparable to Shannara.

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Jan 6, 2020 3:33AM EST

:)

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Nana-S
Jan 9, 2020 10:11AM EST

Frosty, thanks for trying to help, but we get all sorts of comments on here, and most are completely acceptable. We have a helpful guidelines link for those unfamiliar with posting. In a nutshell, keep on topic, keep it fairly clean in language (children are allowed here), don't post URLs, hide your spoilers,and don't be a jerk to others, and the reviews are probably just fine. I've deleted Frosty's post because it was a bit too restrictive and aimed at one member. Thanks, and have fun.

I'm personally looking forward to next season now that I finally understood what was going on in the first one (it was the one time I didn't mind being a little bit spoiled ).

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Jan 7, 2020 6:27PM EST

1) I would not have made the post if I was satisfied with the majority of reviews submitted on the site and had not already experienced numerous shows being spoiled for me, leading to;

2) Didn't even realize kim-berly had already submitted reviews (my bad) because I am cautious in reading others' reviews for the often contained and unmarked spoilers which, ironically, her explanation (while still enormously appreciated) contained (again, no effect on me because I had already watched the season, but anyone who hadn't).

3) I said specifically I was interested in everyone's perspective and approached it as a community exercise while giving pointers, not orders. I did not target kim-berly specifically, but emphasized rather the critical value of her perspective, because of the way shows in this genre have typically treated and depicted women while only targeting men as an audience and because I can't access that perspective on my own. I cared enough to put the work into that post and be inclusive and feel like you erased it without even really reading it, which is not fun at all and also violates the last rule you mentioned.

4) I certainly was not satisfied either by the first season, but the GOT comparisons are bugging many of us. As is, more importantly, some of the mass media critics' sabotage that is likely paid for by a rival production firm to take the competitive pressure off of rival series.

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Jan 7, 2020 3:40PM EST

I get that you are an 'experienced' review Frosty and I will not fault you for that.
But the atmosphere on here, is one different than I think you are looking for or expecting.

Although it is a forum,I would consider it more a very slow chat site, where people more 'lightly' chat about the programme, giving their odd tuppence worth, rather than going into great detail about the show. Most people come on here for a light read,a little banter but more importantly to use the Side reel tracking system.

There are websites online, in which you can leave some fantastic more detailed reviews that I think would be more, to your preference. Whether it be a famous movie database, or a website, titled after a rotten vegetable. There are even websites out there, that you can get paid for leaving reviews.

Whilst in the past, I have left some pretty detailed reviews, after a while of realising they are not appreciated or respected, you soon keep it light as possible. Again, this is a site where people use it more for the tracking system,especially for the Non American's like myself, who track American programmes, as they have no other way of doing so ( other than another tracking site).

You are more than welcome to leave reviews but you cannot expect people to leave the same standard as yourself. This just isnt the site for it. Also because this forum has the inability to contact other members, it's not so much a 'friendly' forum that you would see on other sites. I looked out for Kim-berley like I would any other chatter, but you ask me or anyone else, " name three things about another Forumer on this page, and apart from Tv shows or films, people wouldnt be able to give details.

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Jan 7, 2020 3:51PM EST

Some answers to questions asked (thank you again to the person, who must remain unnamed after my last experience, for taking the time to answer me/ask them):

- Memento: #1 example of a film using temporal dislocation, never wrote in title cards explaining it. Was part of the mystery and title cards break immersion and bother many viewers (just ask cinema sins). While you might not be used to it, I promise you will eventually love it as a narrative technique. (Memento did use black and white sequences though to help with the third level of jumps)

- Lioness of Cintra : Big problem here was hair and makeup again, they were trying to depict the Queen as young, brash and a warrior not a politician back when she was younger. It was SUPER annoying and that was the point, as her arrogance and disrespect of custom led to the tragedy that struck the city and nearly killed everyone on the spot.

- Law of surprise: Calling for payment via the next thing you receive by surprise, literally. Found a gold coin, someone gives you a cow they can't keep, win the lottery, significant other gets you a gift. An "awful, but fair" way to gamble on a payment by both parties simultaneously.

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Jan 7, 2020 3:56PM EST

@Snootz, not only do I respect and appreciate yours and everyone's reviews, it kills me to think you might have been scared off by those who don't. What all of you have to say does matter and is already WAY better than those other sites you mentioned. I absolutely do not have expectations, I have hope and appreciation, and I wanted to help pass some of that on like others have done for me.

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Jan 7, 2020 3:59PM EST

I also adore that you have kim's back. That doubles considering, as you yourself said, we dont know eachother. Looking out for and caring about a strangers questions or concerns is one of the driving forces behind what I do.

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Jan 7, 2020 5:35PM EST

@kim-berly no worries whatsoever about dampening the passion, a bigger part of my passion is helping everything and everyone improve, get along, find greater enjoyment of those things within which they find it and, ultimately, find more happiness. I was (and still am) not debating your opinion, it belongs to you and it is REALLY important to share it. I wanted to offer some of the missing puzzle pieces to shed more light on some of the compounding issues of the show and how something seemingly unrelated, unintended or poorly executed, might be impacting your ability to enjoy something else that was done on purpose.

I have no reservations about saying (though I try to remain positive and constructive as much is possible, doing the opposite can become addictive) that the mid-combat kiss between Geralt and Yennefer was so 'soapy' and out of place/character that my wife and I nearly gagged and openly yelled at the screen. We also roared with laughter in the very same episode at how perfectly the tribeswoman responded to why the two of them followed Borkh Three Jackdaws (but then again we were in on the joke). Ironically, in spite of all the commotion, our experiences appear remarkably similar.

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Jan 23, 2020 9:01AM EST

All these people who say they don't enjoy it or the plot or storyline need to go read the fomincs and play the game because its based off of a game and comics, it already has its lore and they did an excellent job adapting it to the screen.

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Jan 23, 2020 11:10AM EST

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion to a show, immaterial if they like it or not.

I'm a fan of the games and the comics/novels but i did not enjoy the TV series THAT much.. id rate it probably a 7/10. The series has it's issues, poor quality of sound, everyone sounds like they are mumbling, Gerolt could do with keeping his clothes on more often, editing of the episodes was poorly done to the point where it made the story jump around too much.. for example.. how did the queen get from the battle to the castle when she's last seen running towards the horsed figure? they could have done with a scene in there to make it more obvious how she got back, one second she's in battle and the next led on a couch injured. MOST people struggled with the jumps back in time, there was just no indication that THAT had happened what so ever which left a lot of people confused, which could have been easily rectified with just a year popping up on screen. They could have done more for the background of Gerolt's story.. other than just a few lines here or there off different characters, i know his background cos of the games but a lot of TV only people would not know this so understand why they are like "WTF?".

Maybe they will rectify the gerolt background story more in later episodes, and mumbling issues.. this would probably push my score up to an 8/9.. but this show is way off a 10/10 as it currently stands.

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Jan 23, 2020 3:53PM EST

Sylar Dean Paginton I have to agree with you. The jump backs, amongst many things, were annoyingly confusing, as was the comparison to Game of Thrones, which is why a lot of people tuned in and watched it. It also didnt help that the original Queens daughter, was the spitting image of what was to be her future daughter ( Original Queens Grand child) and not explaining it, till a little later.

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Jan 30, 2020 5:47PM EST

I think it is important that people understand what exactly it is they are reviewing when they criticize something. Note, in my opinion, I said this is important not that it was required. I believe in free speech and obviously the site has their rules laid out pretty clearly. That said I would like to enlighten those that don't wish to look into it and argue some points being made.

8 episodes by most standards is hardly a full season. Most of the time it is at least 10. They cut out allot and even had an alternate written ending. The fact of the matter is that reception based on the trailer and cast was generally poor with being mixed at its highest point, everyone was pretty skeptical even if hopeful. For my own opinion now, I think this contributed greatly to the rushed and jumbled season 1, the low episodes afforded to them, and the cut content. They simply were not sure if there would even be a season 2 because despite what your opinion of quality is vs GoT is, the budget for Witcher is estimated to be more than their first season. They have also spoken on the time skipping too, the goal was to get the backstory out of the way so everyone was on the same timeline and things were more linear going forward. The events we saw for Geralt, Ciri, and Yennefer happened decades apart from each other and there is no good way to do that while you only have a guarantee of 8 episodes.

Someone mentioned they didn't like the british accent trope. I will say that Geralt was described in the books as having a foreign accent to what we can assume would be polish-esq accents. The games chose an American accent to make it foreign but to make things easy Henry chose his native accent. To clarify, he isn't using a fake british accent for acting, Henry is British and his accent is authentic. It is okay to still not like British accents but the comment came off as if it was fake.

They cast Henry Cavill not just because he has the background to pull in a large audience but because of his passion and dedication to the role and story. He has read every book and played the games and did so again in preparation for the role. You are free to not like the writing but understand it is(with minor changes yes) writing from the book. And objectively speaking, whether you liked it or not, Henry Cavill nailed the written depiction and behavior of Geralt. To say there are so many better actors that could have done is I think is inaccurate as it seemed to be said based on overall acting and better writing while that is not the position of this role. I am also not saying there 'couldn't' be better actors that would have done as good or a better job, just that there is unlikely to be too many especially ones with the passion and dedication to the role as Henry. This was more than his next gig.

The show is based on the books and there is allot of information on the books online if you are confused. I encourage people to look them up if they are confused on things like the law of surprise. The confusion is perfectly reasonable but know there is a source material and it is available now without needing to wait for the show to explain it. Thinks will be much smoother in season 2 based on the interviews seen about the direction they will be heading.

Overall for me, I didn't like allot of changes they made after insisting they were basing the series on the books. I was skeptical about Yennefer and Geralt as casted but was pleasantly surprised with only minor annoyances. Didn't like the casting choice for Fringilla not just because the appearance isn't remotely close to what was described in the book but because her behavior doesn't match either, though the latter could be bad writing. Didn't like the casting for Triss although it is less of a big deal, she played a bigger role in the games than in the books and the series is suppose to be based on the books. I think the casting for Ciri was too old and it could mess things up, she is supposed to be less than 12 and while the actress does look young for her age, she doesn't look that kind of young. Not sure I agree with the eyes for Geralt, minor gripes really for me as you can see. Overall, 7/10. I estimate season 2 if they do as they say and keep to the books should be better.

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Jan 30, 2020 10:18PM EST

@seedian, thx for taking the time to give your detailed perspective as a conflicted but informed viewer. Very much appreciated and really spot on with what I (and I believe many others) also felt as well. Really hope they tighten things up and take the interest they have stirred up seriously. They are playing with fire right now and it could go either way...

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Jan 31, 2020 5:24PM EST

seedian - First of all, Great review, except, If you are going to talk about other people review's / comments, include who you are talking about, as it helps with interaction, and for the person to continue / add further to their comment.

You have a good point about things being rushed into 8 episodes, but rather than to rush the whole section, I would have found it more interesting, if they focused on one time line and either continued that for the whole 8 episodes. They could have done this in several ways, Such as doing a Star Wars, whether the later part of the book / story is aired first and the prequels, as season 2, 3 etc. Or focused on the beginning, so that we could have warmed to the character and fallen in love with the characters.

You mention a few times about the book and how we should read it etc. The idea of a movie or Tv series is so that we dont have to read. A Movie / tv show is not the same as the book. Like the bible, any book can be misinterpreted and viewed differently. The interpretation we see in this Tv show, will be a lot different from that of the book.

On top of that, you will have actors who want to leave the show etc, so new characters, who may not be in the book, will be brought in. any Tv shows, have gone down a different route to the book, or comic. Such as The Walking Dead, many characters that survived in the comic, are dead in the show, because they have been written out, for one thing, or another.

However the best comparison for this, would be comparing the British Shameless to American Shameless, Or American Office, to British Office. Both Tv shows (American and British) started off with same characters, same stories etc, but as Actors leave, stories change etc. On top of that, again, Different directors, don't share the same views, so change the story to meet their vision.

Think I waffled there, but I am sure you get my point

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Jan 31, 2020 6:56PM EST

@snootz he/she should definitely NOT point out exactly who he/she is referring to when making that lengthy opinion because then it would be seen as singularly pointing out and bullying by many people who has commented with THEIR opinion that people don't like.

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People should stop assuming commenters havent read or played the source stuff. Also, they should just STOP telling others to go buy the books and go play the games... some people don't like gaming and some people don't like reading books, some dont like doing both, just let them have their say and be done with it, whether or not if you agree.

1. The show's frontrunner has already stated they will NEVER incorporate the game's stories into the tv series as they want to do their own thing.

2. They have also stated the books are there for source material but a LOT of the stuff they want to do heir own thing and push the book material aside a little so it's something new for everyone to enjoy, whether they've read the books or played the game or not done that.. they're trying to do something new for everyone.

so, either way.. it seems the main problem the series has with nearly every comment here and on other sites, and even on the net, that people have problems with the actors mumbling, henry caville bathing too much (lol), the time jump plot, and the actors just not looking right for the roles they were given. Either way, a season 2 will now give them a chance to fix the problems the rocky season 1 had.. or at least lets hope they try to correct things.

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Jan 31, 2020 10:07PM EST

@Sylar Dean Paginton I can see your point in regards to that, But I like to think that we are all adults, and know that each person has their own opinion. However we seem to be a great community on here and I don't feel what Seedian said was nasty. He never bullied anyone, he wasn't horrible about anyone else's opinion, but simply offered another side, another aspect, another view. I found his comments pretty interesting.

I personally never read the books, or played the games and nor do I plan too. But with that said I found what he and others have said about the game book interesting. Tbh had these people not said anything, I would not have known about the game, the books etc.

People need to stop telling others what not to say in their reviews, and respect the fact, other people have different opinions, and would like to express such opinions.

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Jan 31, 2020 11:42PM EST

lmao!

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Feb 1, 2020 1:07PM EST

@Snootz @Sylar Dean Paginton Well said. I would like to clarify that I stated "allot of information on the books online" and was not suggesting someone who doesn't want to, play or read those sources as that is very time consuming and requires a preference to gaming and reading fiction. My suggestion was more along the lines of using the very comprehensive and well sourced wikia page they have on the witcher series where both book and game information is available. This takes 5 minutes or even quicker if you get familiar with where to look for things. Also there is a fair amount of speculative and inquisitive threads on reddit and other social media platforms questioning aspects of the story, character, and plot that while might not be as properly sourced, can be enlightening if you were wondering the same or confused. That is all I meant, not that you need to read the books or play the games or that you haven't done so already.

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Feb 5, 2020 2:33PM EST

Some solid points raised with regards to showrunning and the complexities associated with it, something I personnaly forget at times while focusing on immersion.

A series must absolutely stand on its own feet, lest it become a pale and unpalatable parody of the source material (ref: virtually every video game adaptation to date, and a good many book adaptations as well).

It helps in getting points across in a collaborative manner by making suggestions, rather than giving out firm orders, and taking an extra second to word them as such. Gut checking our own contradictions is also necessary, albeit often uncomfortable. From experience, targeting can be somewhat precarious. I would cautiously suggest the use of full diplomacy/author mode, as the internet does not help us convey tone at all.

Hanlon's Razor (the "original" phrasing) states that "the enemy of reason is seldom malice, but ignorance (lack of information) and idolence (lack of effort)". That said, I am really thrilled with the effort everyone has been applying to the discussion, the elements being brought to the surface. Much love to @Everybody!

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Feb 5, 2020 2:35PM EST

*and the attentiveness to one another and their opinions.

(Gah! didn't proofread before I posted. Hoisted by my own petard!)

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kim-berly
Feb 20, 2020 10:31PM EST

TV Queen seems to be gone ;( I will miss her!

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Feb 21, 2020 11:53AM EST

Her real name was Caroline Flack - Google her.

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Feb 21, 2020 1:51PM EST

>.>

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kim-berly
Feb 21, 2020 4:24PM EST

Wish you hadn't told me who she was and to google her.

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Feb 21, 2020 5:07PM EST

lol Kim

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kim-berly
Feb 21, 2020 6:17PM EST

Sylar, did you google her name? It's no laughing matter. If I didn't know she was dead and how she died... well at least I'd still believe she was out there alive and well doing something else she loved. I'm very sad for her family and the sidereal employees.

I'll keep the rest of my thoughts about it to myself. This isn't the place for it.

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Feb 21, 2020 6:20PM EST

Oops

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Feb 21, 2020 6:23PM EST

For those who arent aware, Caroline Flack is a Uk Tv presenter, who committed suicide around the time Tv Queen went missing. Whilst suicide is not a laughing matter, I didnt think someone would be gullible enough to even think Tv Queen or Caroline flack were the same people. Especially as Tv Queen is American and Caroline FLack lives in the Uk.

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kim-berly
Feb 21, 2020 6:38PM EST

Oops is right, Shame on you Snootz! I'd no idea who Miss Flack was. And I know nothing about TV Queen except I always found her helpful.

Such a juvenile and cruel thing to do. Posting something like that.

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Feb 21, 2020 6:40PM EST

Perhaps that is how you see it, but it is British sense of humour.
Many meme's and even the news press make jokes out of morbid things.

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Feb 21, 2020 10:04PM EST

@Snootz, you would be wise to mind certain aspects of your nature if you truly seek to have any of what you say, in your words, "appreciated or respected". In the same paragraph you stated suicide as "not a laughing matter" while referencing a distasteful joke you made about it, and insulted @kim-bery as "gullible" for listening to what you had to say, after having previously "defended" her. Hypocrisy is a disease that blinds the infected to their symptoms.

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